{"id":11224,"date":"2025-09-19T13:59:03","date_gmt":"2025-09-19T13:59:03","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/bitunikey.com\/news\/interview-crypto-demand-is-rising-but-institutions-are-still-behind-franklin-templetons-max-gokhman-says\/"},"modified":"2025-09-19T13:59:09","modified_gmt":"2025-09-19T13:59:09","slug":"interview-crypto-demand-is-rising-but-institutions-are-still-behind-franklin-templetons-max-gokhman-says","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/bitunikey.com\/news\/interview-crypto-demand-is-rising-but-institutions-are-still-behind-franklin-templetons-max-gokhman-says\/","title":{"rendered":"Interview | Crypto demand is rising, but institutions are still behind, Franklin Templeton\u2019s Max Gokhman says"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><\/p>\n<div class=\"post-detail__content blocks\">\n<p class=\"is-style-lead\">Franklin Templeton\u2019s Max Gokhman explained what the investment firm is doing to meet increasing client demand for crypto assets. <\/p>\n<div id=\"cn-block-summary-block_62f707a96f1329aa8ca438916fde32b0\" class=\"cn-block-summary\">\n<div class=\"cn-block-summary__nav tabs\">\n        <span class=\"tabs__item is-selected\">Summary<\/span>\n    <\/div>\n<div class=\"cn-block-summary__content\">\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>Franklin Templeton\u2019s Max Gokhman breaks down client demand for crypto assets<\/li>\n<li>Crypto is an asset class that institutions should take seriously, Gokhman stated<\/li>\n<\/ul><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p><!-- .cn-block-summary --><\/p>\n<p>As the digital-asset space matures, institutional interest is rising, especially due to increased client demand. However, most financial institutions are still lagging behind when it comes to this asset class, says Max Gokhman, CFA, deputy CIO at Franklin Templeton Investment Solutions. In an interview with crypto.news, Gokhman explained what the investment giant is doing to meet demand from its clients that want to invest in crypto assets.<\/p>\n<p><strong>crypto.news: Do you see growing demand for digital assets among your clients? <\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Max Gokhman: It depends on the client segment. If we\u2019re talking about large institutional investors, sovereign wealth funds, pensions, the demand is still minimal. If we\u2019re talking about individual investors, the demand is rising. <\/p>\n<p>Interestingly, there\u2019s growing interest from traditional investors, reflected in the $175 billion of flows into digital asset ETFs. There\u2019s also demand from the crypto-native side, who are looking to diversify out of pure crypto holdings into a more balanced portfolio.<\/p>\n<p>Then there\u2019s the middle ground, family offices and smaller endowments. Many of them are seeing increasing demand for digital assets and want to integrate them into their broader portfolios.<\/p>\n<p>So one of the things we\u2019ve been thinking about is how to build appropriate products for each group. For large institutions, it\u2019s about using digital assets without introducing excess volatility. For retail investors, it\u2019s about scaling digital assets into a traditional portfolio with a risk-aware framework. And for family offices and endowments, it\u2019s about integrating them into the total portfolio\u2014similar to how we treat less liquid assets like private equity, alongside more traditional public market investments.<\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s a changing picture, and I expect demand to continue rising, especially as regulatory clarity improves.<\/p>\n<p><strong>CN: What are some examples of products you are developing for clients intersted in crypto? <\/strong><\/p>\n<p>MG: One product we\u2019ve already launched is a suite of asset allocation models that incorporate digital assets alongside traditional investments.<\/p>\n<p>We\u2019ve built portfolios with digital asset allocations ranging from 1% to 6%. That is 1% for a conservative position, and 6% for a highly aggressive one. In that aggressive model, for example, it\u2019s 94% equities and 6% digital assets.<\/p>\n<p>The rationale is that in asset allocation, you generally don\u2019t want any single asset class to account for more than a fifth of your total portfolio risk. People often say digital assets are too volatile\u2014and they are. But that doesn\u2019t mean you can\u2019t include them. Even if 6% contributes close to 20% of portfolio risk, it can still be integrated thoughtfully.<\/p>\n<p>By putting digital assets on the benchmark, we give clients a clear framework to determine their risk tolerance. It also allows us, as investment managers, to build and manage portfolios relative to a clear bogey.<\/p>\n<p>The key is to avoid being patronizing. If a client says they\u2019re comfortable taking more risk, maybe they want 10% in digital assets, we respect that and design the portfolio accordingly. We\u2019ll still explain that at 10%, they\u2019re taking on a very high concentration of risk, but ultimately it\u2019s their objective, and we work within that.<\/p>\n<p>We\u2019ve already had crypto-native clients tell us they want portfolios that are 60% digital assets and 40% traditional, equities, bonds, maybe some private markets. In that case, the benchmark is clear, and our job is to beat it.<\/p>\n<p>The most important thing is making sure clients understand exactly how much risk they\u2019re taking as they scale into higher allocations of digital assets.<\/p>\n<p><strong>CN: In the case of individual clients and private offices, are they asking for basic exposure or more aggressive strategies? <\/strong><\/p>\n<p>MG: Generally, it starts with just dipping their toes in. With family offices, it really depends\u2014some are very active in digital assets, some not involved at all. It\u2019s hard to generalize, but most have at least some level of interest.<\/p>\n<p>For many investors, especially larger institutions, it\u2019s still about education. Explaining the risks, showing that we have a robust investment process, and helping them get that initial exposure.<\/p>\n<p><strong>CN: Do you have an insight into how other institutions are approaching client demand for crypto?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>MG: I actually think the industry is behind where we are. From what I\u2019ve seen, many institutional managers aren\u2019t engaging with the asset class at all. They often write it off as too volatile. <\/p>\n<p>A lot of institutions focus solely on Bitcoin and don\u2019t look deeper. In contrast, we have an investment process that evaluates digital assets across five distinct sectors\u2014cryptocurrencies, smart contract platforms, DeFi, utility tokens, and consumer tokens. We\u2019ve developed fairly sophisticated methods for valuing them\u2014just as we would for any other investment.<\/p>\n<p>There\u2019s significant diversification under the hood. Not all of it is highly liquid, but for investors who aren\u2019t trading trillion-dollar portfolios\u2014which is most of them\u2014we can do a lot.<\/p>\n<p>What I see from many larger players is: \u201cWe\u2019ll give you 1\u20132% in crypto, and that\u2019s enough to test the waters.\u201d But the irony is, that approach mirrors the behavior of retail traders\u2014like a degen putting 2% of their portfolio into a speculative bet, thinking it\u2019s no big deal if they lose it.<\/p>\n<p>If you\u2019re an institution, losing 2% matters. And by taking that kind of simplistic, \u201ctoe-in-the-water\u201d approach without proper risk analysis, you\u2019re not only under-allocating\u2014you\u2019re also putting that allocation at higher risk. That kind of thinking is flawed, but it\u2019s still common.<\/p>\n<p><strong>CN: Some traders consider Bitcoin to be a counter-cyclical asset. Do you buy that argument and how does that relate to its case as a diversifying asset? <\/strong><\/p>\n<p>MG: I don\u2019t buy the argument. The data is pretty clear: Bitcoin is a cyclical, high-beta asset. It trades similarly to the riskier parts of the market\u2014like high-yield credit\u2014and maybe even more so than small-cap equities. It has a strong correlation to risk assets.<\/p>\n<p>What\u2019s perhaps more controversial is that I think this correlation will go up as more institutional investors adopt Bitcoin. They\u2019ll frame it as a risk asset, and it\u2019ll behave like one.<\/p>\n<p>As Bitcoin becomes more institutionalized and more centralized, I think its volatility will decline, but its correlation with traditional finance will rise. Long term, I actually think that\u2019s a good thing\u2014but it also means Bitcoin will look less like digital gold and more like a high-growth tech asset.<\/p>\n<p>Now, I want to be clear: although I\u2019m bullish on digital assets overall, I\u2019m not particularly bullish on Bitcoin.<\/p>\n<p>The main reason is that it\u2019s a network asset. It\u2019s digital gold, but it doesn\u2019t have that thousand-year history of belief and value the way gold does. Both assets rely on perception\u2014gold is worth what people believe it\u2019s worth, and so is Bitcoin. But Bitcoin doesn\u2019t yet have that long-term trust.<\/p>\n<p>If a few large holders decided to shift to something else, it could cause serious disruption. I\u2019m not saying that will happen, it\u2019s not my base case, but the potential is there. Meanwhile, we\u2019ve seen significant volatility and strong correlation with risk assets.<\/p>\n<p>That said, adoption is real, and near- to medium-term, Bitcoin can perform well. But in the long run, I think other assets are more interesting.<\/p>\n<p>Ethereum, for example, that\u2019s a technology investment. Solana has payment infrastructure that can support cross-border transactions. Those platforms have real utility and potential staying power. To me, they\u2019re much more diversifying than Bitcoin.<\/p>\n<p>    <!-- .cn-block-related-link --><\/p>\n<p><strong>CN: So when you\u2019re looking at crypto from a risk and investment perspective, how do you differentiate between various projects?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>MG: Step one is identifying what kind of token we\u2019re looking at. Is it a true cryptocurrency like Ripple? A smart contract platform like Solana or Ethereum? A DeFi token like Uniswap? Or maybe a consumer or gaming-focused token like Decentraland? Then there are utility tokens like Chainlink. I\u2019m just giving examples here\u2014not saying those are necessarily our top picks.<\/p>\n<p>Once we categorize the token, we look at six core factors.<\/p>\n<p>Quality: Things like circulating supply relative to total supply, protocol inflation rate, and daily active addresses.<\/p>\n<p>Size: This is simply the log of market cap. It helps contextualize where the project sits in the broader ecosystem.<\/p>\n<p>Growth: We look at transaction trends, network usage, and developer activity over time.<\/p>\n<p>Value: Net token value, pricing metrics, and revenue where applicable.<\/p>\n<p>Momentum: One-year trailing momentum, which is still highly predictive in this space.<\/p>\n<p>Intangibles: This is one of the most interesting. It includes GitHub commits, who\u2019s contributing to the project, social media activity (especially from influential accounts), and broader developer engagement, particularly for smart contract platforms.<\/p>\n<p>In addition to these factors, we use different models depending on the type of token.<\/p>\n<p>For example, if a protocol generates cash flows, like Ethereum or Solana, we can use a discounted cash flow (DCF) model. That\u2019s something any traditional investor can understand.<\/p>\n<p>We also use network models, where we rely more on metrics like growth, quality, and value, especially for tokens that don\u2019t produce revenue in the conventional sense.<\/p>\n<p>And then we have statistical models, where we apply technical analysis and regression techniques. For example, we might look at what asset a token is most correlated with, project a beta, and then estimate its potential behavior based on that.<\/p>\n<p>The key point is that we don\u2019t treat the space as monolithic. We approach it with the same analytical rigor we\u2019d use in any other asset class, and that\u2019s where I think we have an edge compared to a lot of other players.<\/p>\n<p><strong>CN: In terms of valuations, how do crypto projects compare to traditional risk equities? <\/strong><\/p>\n<p>MG: Valuations are definitely high: more in line with early-stage venture than mature public companies. And that makes sense.<\/p>\n<p>Solana, for example, is more comparable to a Series C or D startup than a large-cap tech firm. The difference is you can trade it like a public company. From a democratization standpoint, that\u2019s actually one of the really cool things about digital assets, anyone can gain exposure to early-stage infrastructure.<\/p>\n<p>That said, we are seeing a real link between our valuation models and price movement. That\u2019s important. It shows the market is maturing.<\/p>\n<p>But I\u2019ll be honest, the factor that still carries the most weight right now is momentum. That needs to change if we want long-term institutional adoption. As momentum becomes less dominant, fundamentals like usage and revenue will start to matter more. We\u2019re already seeing that shift, especially as volatility begins to come down.<\/p>\n<p>Interestingly, intangibles, like developer activity and social traction, are already having a significant impact on token performance. And yes, cash flows are starting to be priced in too.<\/p>\n<p>Still, it\u2019s a highly momentum-driven market. But right behind that, we\u2019re seeing real traction from daily active addresses, network usage, and supply dynamics.<\/p>\n<p>As the space becomes more institutionally held, and trades less like a speculative frenzy, we expect that balance to continue shifting toward fundamentals.<\/p>\n<p><strong>CN: Just to clarify, are the valuations in crypto closer to AI companies or more traditional tech?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>MG: They\u2019re much closer to AI startups or VC-stage tech companies. And that makes sense, many of these are still early in their lifecycle. Projects like Solana should be compared to a Series C or D venture-stage company, not a mature public firm.<\/p>\n<p>What\u2019s unique is that you can actually trade them like public companies. That\u2019s pretty revolutionary. From a democratization standpoint, it means anyone can get exposure to the kind of innovation that was traditionally locked behind private markets.<\/p>\n<p>You can\u2019t just go out and buy shares in a private AI startup. But you can buy tokens tied to the infrastructure of a blockchain protocol. That\u2019s a major shift in access.<\/p>\n<p>And even though valuations are high, we\u2019re seeing a clear link between the underlying metrics we track, like usage, cash flow, and development activity, and actual price performance. That connection is critical.<\/p>\n<p>It gives investors confidence that this isn\u2019t just speculative fluff. These tokens are starting to trade on real-world dynamics, not just hype.<\/p>\n<p>    <!-- .cn-block-related-link --><\/p>\n<p><strong>CN: There has been a growing trend toward asset tokenization, and recently even the NASDAQ signalled a potential enty into the market. What are some advantages and disadvantages of that model? <\/strong><\/p>\n<p>MG: With public equities, the advantages are pretty limited. You can already trade stocks after hours. You can already buy fractional shares. So tokenizing traditional stocks doesn\u2019t add much.<\/p>\n<p>Where tokenization really shines is in private assets: private equity, venture capital, real estate. These are, by definition, illiquid. Secondary markets exist, but they\u2019re difficult to access and often require deep relationships. A lot of firms, ours included, have built edge in the secondary market through those relationships.<\/p>\n<p>If you tokenize private assets, institutional investors can create liquidity for themselves in a transparent, on-chain way, without relying on intermediaries.<\/p>\n<p>On the other side, for individual investors, tokenization could let them access asset classes they\u2019ve traditionally been excluded from. Imagine being able to buy private equity in your 401(k), without being locked into illiquidity. That\u2019s a game-changer.<\/p>\n<p>And if you zoom out: the U.S. economy is now largely dominated by private equity. It used to be that U.S. small caps were seen as the \u201creal economy.\u201d But now, the Russell 2000 is full of companies that private equity passed on. The public markets are dominated by the Magnificent 7. Everything else? It\u2019s in private markets.<\/p>\n<p>So when we talk about democratizing access, tokenizing private equity is massive. It addresses a real inequality in access to economic growth.<\/p>\n<p>We\u2019re also exploring brand-new asset classes enabled by tokenization, things like cultural assets or music royalties. These don\u2019t really exist in traditional investing because they require smart contract infrastructure to be feasible.<\/p>\n<p>Five years from now, the landscape for private assets could be radically different. Even the term \u201cprivate\u201d might lose meaning. You may have assets that are liquid but not listed, trading 24\/7 in a peer-to-peer structure without ever touching a centralized exchange.<\/p>\n<p>We\u2019ve already built this kind of infrastructure with our Benji on-chain money market fund. That same tech could be applied to tokenized real estate or yield-bearing assets. Imagine moving billions of dollars in tokenized real estate, and having yield flow instantly. No settlement delays, no middlemen. That\u2019s a huge upgrade for every type of investor.<\/p>\n<p><strong>CN: How does the current macroeconomic environment impact crypto assets? <\/strong><\/p>\n<p>MG: This is something I have been thinking about a lot recently is the macro environment, especially since we just kicked off a new rate-cut cycle.<\/p>\n<p>We\u2019re in a stagflationary period, even if Powell didn\u2019t use that word explicitly. Rates are being cut not because the economy is strong and inflation is falling, but because the labor market is weakening. CEOs are worried about tariffs, and they\u2019re going to pass those costs on to consumers. Consumer confidence is dropping. Unemployment is rising. Inflation is still elevated, and it\u2019s likely to rise further.<\/p>\n<p>All of that points to a structurally weaker U.S. dollar.<\/p>\n<p>If you\u2019re a foreign entity, like a sovereign wealth fund, and you\u2019re being hurt by U.S. tariffs, you\u2019re going to look to reduce dollar exposure. That doesn\u2019t necessarily mean you\u2019re buying crypto, but it does mean the global dominance of the dollar is eroding.<\/p>\n<p>And as the dollar weakens, the use case for digital assets strengthens.<\/p>\n<p>Cross-border transactions are a perfect example. Outside the dollar system, they\u2019re slow, expensive, and full of friction. With digital assets, especially smart contract-based platforms, they\u2019re seamless. That creates a powerful tailwind for adoption.<\/p>\n<p>So from a macro perspective, I\u2019m particularly bullish on transactional protocols like Solana and Ripple. The more the dollar becomes less of a default medium for global trade, the more demand there will be for faster, decentralized alternatives.<\/p>\n<p>Businesses and consumers are going to increasingly move their transactions on-chain. That\u2019s a secular trend, not a cyclical one. And it\u2019s accelerating. <\/p>\n<p>    <!-- .cn-block-related-link --><\/p><\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Franklin Templeton\u2019s Max Gokhman explained what the investment firm is doing to meet increasing client demand for crypto assets. 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